Feb 15 2008
Social Network Copyright Information
While planning to launch Complete Fragments I have been thinking about ways to get my name out there and joining Facebook was on my To Do list as a way to network with people I may not have met otherwise. After reading the information posted by Crystal Driedger (copy below), I am still thinking about joining up, but I will be very careful about what I share there. I’m sure there are lots of home-based, small scale businesses using Facebook as a marketing tool, and I bet they don’t know they are giving away the copyright to their work.
Anyway, just wanted to share this as I think people need to be aware of this stuff so they can make an educated decision about being involved with these types of websites.
Reproduced from Crystal’s Blog:
Oh facebook, it’s so deliciously beautiful and so richly addictive. You can post pictures & artwork, music, videos, email your friends and get updates on what everyone else is posting quicker than you could ever have dreamed possible (i mean, how else are you going to keep up with your ex-boyfriends sister-in-laws holiday in Spain?). And who actually reads a websites terms of use before posting artwork or music they spent hours creating? I mean, isn’t it all the same anyway? Well, after a concerned friend passed along this note:
“I’m not sure exactly what the deal is with facebook and imagery.. but I’ve heard that they own the images once you post them… eeek! You, especially, might want to check that out if you already haven’t.”
This, of course, must be a rumor. Why would such a reputable company put something so ridiculous in their terms of use policy (you know, that thing you have to check off every time you upload a photo on facebook, or import a blog, or link your flickr photo’s to your facebook profile…)? But then… I did some digging I found exactly what I was looking for, plain as day, in the top of a large section of text called “Proprietary Rights in Site Content; Limited License” And it didn’t look good…(Facebooks Terms of Use)
“All content on the Site and available through the Service, including designs, text, graphics, pictures, video, information, applications, software, music, sound and other files, and their selection and arrangement (the “Site Content”), are the proprietary property of the Company, its users or its licensors with all rights reserved.”
But the more shocking news comes a little farther down the list of terms:
“By posting User Content to any part of the Site, you automatically grant, and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to the Company an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, publicly perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in part) and distribute such User Content for any purpose, commercial, advertising, or otherwise, on or in connection with the Site or the promotion thereof, to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such User Content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing. You may remove your User Content from the Site at any time. If you choose to remove your User Content, the license granted above will automatically expire, however you acknowledge that the Company may retain archived copies of your User Content. Facebook does not assert any ownership over your User Content; rather, as between us and you, subject to the rights granted to us in these Terms, you retain full ownership of all of your User Content and any intellectual property rights or other proprietary rights associated with your User Content.”
So, what does this all mean to us anyway?According to LegalAndrew.com:
“In plain English, this means you’re giving up copyright control of your material. If you upload a photo to Facebook, they can sell copies of it without paying you a cent. If you write lengthy notes (or import your blog posts!), Facebook can turn them into a book, sell a million copies, and pay you nothing.”
Just because I’m uploading an image to a website should not mean I’m granting them a license (with right to sublicense!) my work. Not to mention that this rule can also apply to people who post your work under a creative commons license to their facebook profile. Also, be aware that using the flickr application in your facebook will put you in the exact same place as if you’d posted your images there directly from your computer. Same goes for all blog posts (imported or otherwise)…
So, can you trust any site to upload your photos?
Here’s what flickrs terms of service are:
“With respect to photos, graphics, audio or video you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Service other than Yahoo! Groups, the license to use, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publicly perform and publicly display such Content on the Service solely for the purpose for which such Content was submitted or made available. This license exists only for as long as you elect to continue to include such Content on the Service and will terminate at the time you remove or Yahoo! removes such Content from the Service.”
Sigh, these are terms I can live with (and i will! Yahoo for flickr!… ha ha, yes this pun was intened, much to your dismay!). I know how hard all of you work to create your art, music, writing and crafts. I will advise any of you who respect intellectual property rights to stop posting your images to facebook and to avoid posting “from flickr to facebook”, especially if the images are not your own. As far as creative commons licensing goes the only way this would be appropriate is if the photo is in the public domain.So as far as lessons in trust go, this one is a big one for me. I find that it’s easy to trust the sleek and polished face of a company that has attracted 62 million users and has become lovingly known as “crackbook” by it’s biggest fans. I’ll also admit that yesterday I was happily posting pictures of each and every illustration I’d created since I went freelance (well, the “good ones” anyway), imported each and every blog post I’d written (which included images of my work and some that I’d asked others if I could post of theirs), my flickr account, a live feed from my etsy store and of course pictures of myself with friends. And while it all may seem very unlikely that facebook would ever post an image from my collection I was in Chapters (Canada’s largest bookstore chain) before Christmas and saw a magazine, created by facebook, full of users photos. So then… who knows?
Anyway, the above are Crystal’s thoughts on the matter, I just wanted to share this with you so you can be aware of this and then make your own call on if and how you choose to use Facebook.
Facebook isn’t by my experience a place to promote you, your art and craft, your work, your merchandise… Flickr is much better for that. I have found many favorites at Etsy through Flickr, none through Facebook.
I don’t think Facebook is a big threat in that way, people seem to be mostly making fun all the time… I haven’t been able to find one sensible discussion there. But perhaps I’m not in the right circles
Thank you so much for posting this. It’s just another example of why we should all read and understand the terms of use before signing up for anything. : ) I have posted a link to your site on the QA list. BTW I have started the ‘Awesome Places to Spend Money’ list on my blog and your shop is on there. I also posted a link to your blog. Hopefully it will help increase traffic to your sites. : )
Facebook also demands that you use your *real name* on your account. Something that for some people would be a problem. Me, I prefer not to use my real name on a site that isn’t selling anything of mine, because there are people I really don’t want contact with, and that little bit of anonymity is all I really have.
If you use a nickname, insterad, they can and will delete your account or ban you from the site. Among other things.
See here for more details- http://getsatisfaction.com/facebook/topics/13_reasons_your_facebook_account_will_be_disabled
I have yet to see what the attraction to Facebook is, honestly.
I’ve been finding these kinds of clauses in more and more sites. When I have mentioned it to friends they seem to feel I am being stupid to be concerned. Most people do not read these terms and conditions, those who do mostly don’t seem to understand the implications.
Now on the other hand, if you were setting up a website, which you were going to let everyone use for free wouldn’t you be tempted to recoup your costs. This is a sneaky but potentially very effective way of doing just that. Frankly after the response I have had from pointing out these issues I am starting to think good luck to these sites who are demaning these rights.
I’d love people to start paying attention, because then we might have a chance of getting reasonable service agreements.
Ferret
thanks! I’m cancelling my facebook account as of
today.
It’s a lousy clause, but you can get around it. That’s what low resolution images are for. You can easily make an image that is screen size, yet unprintable. Watermarking also makes your image useless to anyone else and putting your name on everything just makes you more visble if they do use it.
You shouldn’t be posting printable images anywhere anyway, since anyone can come along and steal them.
Wow. Thanks for this information. It sounds like the only safe way to protect your interests with Facebook is to simply link to your update instead of importing. I think I’ll be using the “Share on Facebook” option more often so that I will be less at risk.
Excellent Information! I’ll be watching this more carefully in the future.
I’m off to to check out your etsy shop now.
Thanks for these useful information, i’ve just created Facebook page recently, need to reconsider it!!
nice shop btw, u’ve sorted out well both sides of the brain ; )
Very good selection of interesting and educational posts! Excellent!
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